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How do U make an oval track?
Sub-Horizon on/off
final problem (view pit lane <>
track)
GP2 - 340mph!!!
Horizon settings
Camera shows no horizon
How long (minimum track length)
Creating complex objects
What are flags in jams
GP2 Magic Data!
Michigan Track (cc-cars cant pit)
Monaco prob!! ("getNthArg: No Cmd Arg"
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World View doesn't work in TE
troubles in creating Hockenheim 70
Posted by Damir from 195.252.103.25:
I am pretty unexperienced in track editing so please help me.How can I make an oval
part of a track?
Posted by addie from 194.191.82.27:
basically its the same as a regular track, only the layout is different. see http://www.grandprix3.ch/TEIC/index.html
for info.
i hope it helps
Posted by AAS from 193.159.69.68:
Damir how do you mean ?
Maybe banking part of a track?
Posted by Damir from 195.252.103.25:
Yes.You see, a part of my fictional track is supposed to be banked. I worked on flat
tracks like Silverstone 87 or new Paul Ricard, but I've never made an oval track
before.Sorry 'bout misunderstanding.It's my english.
Posted by The Smoking Pen from 212.159.1.1:
You use command 0xad to give one side of the track a height. You have to work out
the height for yourself, based on the width of the track at that point and the tangent
of the angle you need - keep in mind that the track width you specify is only half
of the actual track width, so you need to double the height command.
Tangent(Banking Angle)*Track Width*2=Height
This assumes you haven't altered the track width left or right to be different from
the main track width, otherwise you have to use the average of the two.
FLAGS (in jam-files)
Posted by Scraeder from 194.228.174.165:
What are FLAGS ? (in jam file)
Posted by Marcos Gauguin from 200.195.104.126:
I simply can't make the sub-horizon textures show up in my track.
I looked hard for some command for it in original tracks but did not find anything.
Can anyone help me, please ?
Thanks
Gauguin
Posted by Karl Sanders from 172.189.6.62:
You have to look at horizon base mapping in the first track sector (number Zero)
there are numbers in here to match the various positions around the circuit. Look
at one of the original tracks for guidance.
Posted by Marcos Gauguin from 200.190.241.107:
That's exactly what I've been doing. But even copying the 16 mapping commands and
changing to the right jam id's didn't work. Could there be a command for switching
them on or off ?
Posted by mindprobe from 212.18.191.117:
Hi guys!
I'm almost finishing a track, but i have a final problem to solve, i hope you guys
can help me with this one:
My track is from the thirties, and in those days the pit lane wasn't seperated from
the track, there were no walls, nothing, i was trying to recreate this in my track,
but when i drive along the pitlane, the track tarmac is not vesible but the scenary
is, and when on the track, the pit tarmac is not visible, but the scenary is, is
there a way of making the tarmac in both cases to show up?
thanks!
Posted by addie from 194.191.82.27:
lookout for the "greg moore memorial westwood track for grandprix2" made
by les danyluk aka fat rat. its not really "no pit walls and nothing",
but closely. there are several cmds to control this 0xd4, d6, d7, d8 and maybe more.
beside that its one of the top notch grandprix2 tracks ever.
bern-bremgarten is also a track that origined in the thirties. though it had some
kind of pit lane behind the building, during the race the cars pitted in front of
the building actually. fortunately there always were quite a few people standing
there looking, so i could "use them" to make "a wall" and avoid
the mentioned problem.
i hope its uesful
Posted by AD from 62.30.112.1:
Yep, I'm serious! I was doing some expriments with tyre compounds, and found that
various compounds (such as P and Z, Z is 77) make the cars take off whilst trying
to exit the pits. Very wierd!
Posted by addie from 194.191.82.27:
yeah, the effect is known.
for having a good laugh you also could start a race on that track and watch :)
somewhere on the net there should be "a patch" for this also, but dont
ask me where.
Posted by Damir from 195.252.103.99:
Hi everybody! I have this problem with a track I'm workin' on. It is much longer
than original (Interlagos) and in one part the horison texture crosses the road.
It looks very ugly so can anybody help?
Posted by Bob P from 65.94.225.158:
Did you turn the scenery off? Is it the scenery that is crossing the track? I seems
to me that may be what is happening?
Posted by addie from 194.191.82.27:
i'd say horizon never crosses the track, so it has to be something else, as bob mentioned,
its most probably scenery. see cmds 0xaf, c0 and c1 in the commandlib and you will
get the idea. or even better martijn keizers scenery tutorial. you could get it here
http://www.grandprix3.ch/TEIC/index.html follow writings
Posted by Damir from 195.252.103.15:
It's not a scenery problem definitely. I removed all scenery but this doesn't solve
the problem. But there's important thing I forgot to mention: it only happens in
CAMERA view.When car comes to the camera you cannot see it because this texture is
in front ,like a curtain. So is this a camera problem? If it is what causes it? (If
helps this happens in a very long straight covered only by one camera at the end
of it.)
Posted by mindprobe from 212.18.191.117:
the something happens to me, and only in camera view, i haven't tried to solve it
yet, and i'm not shure, but i think you'll have to rise the value of the object view
ahead in that camera, it looks like the camera only films until, let's say, half
of a straight and then after that a black green(sub-horizon missing) at least in
my case.
hope it helps
Posted by Bob P from 65.94.225.184:
Yes, I think it is a camera setting--you're onto the right solution Mindprobe. It
is that the camera view distance is not long enough, so it cannot "see"
as far as you are expecting.
I've seen this problem before. One thing you can do is just set the "Object
view behind" and "Object view Ahead" for the camera in question to
255 and see if that solves it.
Hope that helps.
Bob
Posted by Andreas Forrer from 32.101.253.88:
I added some cameras to my track and they work fine, but they don't show the horizon.
They show ribbons though, but no horizon. Just ugly green instead. What am I missing?
Posted by Bob P from 65.94.224.156:
Does the horizon show when you drive? Could it be that the jams are not properly
located?
Posted by Schubert from 203.199.170.6:
The horizons have some special id's i think. check them.
Posted by Gore from 213.243.137.165:
Edit the unk1 section in the camera editor. Try 65550, 65500, 65450, 65400 or 65350.
Posted by Andreas Forrer from 146.180.92.194:
I'll try the advice with the unks. Just to answer the other questions: Yes, the horizon
does show on existing cameras and while in the cockpit, it just doesn't appear in
the new cameras.
Posted by Andreas Forrer from 146.180.92.194:
I tried all the unk1 values as recommended by Gore, but none would resolve the problem.
:-(
Posted by mindprobe from 212.18.191.117:
If it his for GP3 it has to be GP3?1 in the unk section, i tried it in one track
i have, it's a flat track and arg. 3 in the command horizon adjustment is set to
-20, in GP3?1 with a value 0f 64499 the sky turns green, this is because the hrizon
is to high and what shows up in the camera is the subhorizon(i think) with a value
of 65199 to 65299 the only thing that shows up in the cameras is sky, with 65499
the full horizon texture shows up in the camera, this is basically what Gore told
you to do, but it has to be in GP3?1 and not in unk1.
Anyway, does anyone knows how to change the height of the horizon showed in the outside
cameras? i tried the other unks but didn't find anything.
Posted by Kev C from 213.120.56.33:
Hi a lontime since I have been here.
How short a track is it possable to make?
Kev C.
Posted by Schubert from 203.199.170.6:
Depends from slot to slot i think. See the TEIC. Its there somewhere.
In the trouble shooters faq
Posted by addie from 194.191.82.27:
it depends on the slot if you dont use SDIs gpxpatch. if you do, the limit is at
some 1000m. if you go shorter, the track will still load but you may have to face
more and more crashes and other nasty phenomenas. gpxpatch and magicdata that is
Posted by Kev C from 213.120.56.33:
Thanks
Kev c
Posted by JC Musumeci from 195.6.155.200:
Is it possible to create new complex object for Gp3 without modying an existing one?
And is it possible to make GP3 objects with Gp2 object editor?
Posted by Scraeder from 147.32.160.51:
Please, can somebody tell me, what do flags mean ? Flags in Jam File
Posted by James Knopp from 195.92.168.165:
JAM Flags are basically properties or attributes that jam tetxures have which GP3
recognises. Basically these properties tell GP3 how to deal with the texture - something
that could not be implemented into the JAM file. These flags tell GP3 how they are
to be displayed... e.g. there is a trasparency flag which tells GP3 that if this
texture contains a certain colour, (the transparency colour) that colour should not
be drawn and where that colour is, that colour becomes see-through.
James
Posted by Matteo from 213.45.254.55:
hi,
don't know if this is already known...
some of the magic data in gp3 are also avaible in gp2 I think...
what about you?
I say this cause I've talk a lot with some guys in the SDI forum about perfs and
we have found that incidents are dependant by drivers' range... well I think that
the data 17 and 18 in the track config|cc car set up section are the so called min
and max range in magic data, cause their change causes a reduction (encreasing) of
incidents as a range value!
At now I'm really interessed knowing if is possible that other data could be in the
config section (also in the pit data section) spacially about failures probability!
thanx for attention and excuse my english,
Matteo
Posted by AD from 62.30.112.1:
Funny you should mention track-related reliability, actually.
I did a League race at Imola with a lot of black flags around, but the quals without
them. A few test races after the quals had about 13 finishers. With black flags there
were about 19. I did several acceleerated races each time.
Posted by Matteo from 212.171.207.232:
hi!
really I don't know what I can say about: is new for me! My "research"
is related to perfs and so to track fisics and failure statistics... really wonder
that flags (black) affect retirements:
but are they incidents or failures?
bye,
Matteo.
Posted by Ron Dye from 24.65.242.156:
I have downloaded michigan raceway from several places and when I race on it I noticed
something strange. The computer cars can't hit their pit boxes so they run out of
fuel. Can anyone help me? cavorite@shaw.ca
Posted by gap from 62.211.61.37:
I haven't this track (where it is possible to find it?) but I noticed almost the
same problem in the old version of Augusto Dewey's Buenos Aires track (mostly, the
CC cars weren't able to enter the pitlane and crasched against the fences) and in
Bruno Gourdo's 2001 Interlagos after I changed his magic file with the one made by
a perf. maker. In this last case some cars, after hitting the fences, had not damage
due to low speed, but ran out of fuel. This experience make I think that this kind
of problem is due to the magic files (but I don't know exactly wich parameter).
Posted by Schubert from 203.199.170.218:
Whenever i try to edit the Monaco.....
the TE comes up with this error continously... even if OK is pressed
"getNthArg: No Cmd Arg"
What could possibly be the reason? I just can't edit because it comes after every
change i make and after clicking OK several times it simply shuts down the TE.
Posted by Marcos Gauguin from 200.217.2.250:
Same problem here. For a year. Does anyone have a solution ?
Gauguin
Posted by Paul Edmonds from 212.88.40.146:
It's down to what you have selected to be shown in the Track Editor. If you have
Show Scenery ticked in thr show menu, you get this message. Untick it and it seems
to disappear.
I've never played around with it further than that, as I don't use Monaco as a base
for any track editing.
Posted by Schubert from 203.199.171.249:
It didn't work. But then there's Iso TE and its working well in it.
Posted by Chris from 195.92.168.168:
I can't get the 3d world view to work in the TE. I click the button and a new (empty)
window appears, but if I click the drive button I get an error message saying 'turn
on draw by segments' and if I click the camera view button, I get an illegal operation
box and the program closes. Can anyone help?
Cheers, Chris
Posted by Flo from 80.128.219.24:
You need to have OpenGL drivers.
Posted by Chris from 195.92.168.171:
I think I do, I have an nvidia geforce 2 graphics card and I have the latest drivers
for that. I've downloaded the open gl dll files from the TE homepage but how do I
use them?
Posted by gap from 62.211.250.27:
Hi people,
I’m just new in track editing. As first essay I tried modifying the circuit of Hockenheim
(GP3 original version) so that it fit the 70-81 layout, without the chicane just
before the Ostkurve. I proceeded so: I don’t removed any sector, I changed only the
angles of the track sectors in the chicane, in order to delete it, and the lengths
of some other track and pit sector, in order to make that the first and the last
track sectors fit together again and the first an the last pit sectors fit again
with the original track sectors holding the pit entrance and pit exit commands. I
hope I’ve been clear, however my changes are here:
ts 34 ang = 1.5106201171875
ts35-ts42 ang = 1.614990234375
ts0 len = 21
ts60 len = 149
ts99 len = 21
ps19 len = 50
ps29 len = 5
(maybe I forgot some little details, but I’m almost sure…).
Evidently this was a procedure too much optimistic (just a few minutes of work…)
because when I try loading this track on GP3 (after reinserting magic data), the
program freezes itself and when I reload the track in TE (2.2.0.804) I receive the
message “C\program could not be opened (OS error information = 2)”, even if - after
this message - I’m still able to see and edit the track in TE.
The next phase should be (beside the track layout perfecting) to change . in correspondence
with the old chicane the kerbs, the verge and object distances, the track signs,
the CCline, etc; the third phase: change, add or remove some objects, change the
adverts, and some others “artistic” final touch…. but I’m still stagnant in the first
one :( and I remember that “the track works how you PROGRAM it, and not how you want
it !” (Addie Walti), so …
…there’s anyone here witch can give me some clue, please? I don’t have any idea about
the problem and how solve it and I should be grateful for you help! :)
Gabriele
Posted by James Burgess from 62.7.0.62:
You need to re-do the CC-Line to match the track layout and you may have to make
some other changes to get the track to work. (try running in debug mode and also
in practice mode).
Posted by gap from 62.211.250.27:
Thanks James,
I tried also with the debug mode and in practice with an uman player selected (no
CCcars), but it is the same: Gp3 freezes.
I was believing that it was possible for a human player drive a track whithout a
ccline (or with a wrong one) because this line is necesary only for the ccdrivers
and for the human steering help. Is it wrong? I pose this question 'cause i want
to be sure that there are not coarse errors in the track layout before I edit the
ccline.
More: I noticed that the ccline of some tracks (Hockenheim included) in some points
run far from the track, even if it still tread the track layout. As is it possible,
and how to behave in this cases? (I can redo this sections in such a way that it
fit with the track, or I must let the line in her position, working only on her shape?)...
Posted by Flo from 217.226.120.150:
If you drive your track with a jostick or steering wheel you don't need a cc-line
to test it. Only if you want to use the steering help or there are cc-cars on the
track.
It is normal that the cc-line does not fit in the track and runs off. To make a cc-line
you cannot use the track editor to view if it is correct, you always have to start
GP3 and look how the cc-cars drive (or crash).
To the crash problem: Perhaps you changed the pitlane without changing the pitlane
commands. If you want to change the points where the pitlane hits the track, you
also have to move some pitlane commands (see addie's pitlane guide for further informations:
http://www.grandprix3.ch/TEIC/tutus/files/pitq.zip).
Posted by Kent from 62.255.32.5:
You need to completly remove the ccline, I have had this problem quite a few times
when I have altered an existing Gp3 track.
I had to do this when I updated the Silverstone startline, it seems that if you make
a major change to an existing Gp3 track layout it can make the ccline overflow and
there for make Gp3 freeze, that's my theory anyway.
So try removing the ccline completly by selecting remove ccline from the list in
the ccline drop down menu in the track editor.
You will of course have to rebuild the ccline from scratch if you do this but sometimes
its the only way to get a modified Gp3 trcak to work.
Kent
Posted by gap from 62.211.61.179:
It works!!!
Kent was right (thanks pal), my problem was with the original ccline, so I had to
remove it and now that's all right even if, ideed, the cc cars run out the track.
Now I must redo the line (peraphs the most difficult deal)but at least I know that
there are not errors in the track layout....
I'm obliged to all you for your commitment.
Gabriele
Posted by Marcos Gauguin from 200.190.240.195:
Hey Gap
What about removing only the CC line sectors located after the track sectors you
modified?
Gauguin
Posted by gapgap from 62.211.250.36:
Hi Marcos,
few days ago I tried aso this one and it seems to work fine, but in the meantime
I apported new changes to the track layout: I changed the shape of the two remaining
chicanes, I made tighter the angle of the new (old)Ostkurve, and I slightly shortened
the lenght of the straight line after the first curve. All this changes was made
according to the track map in the Hockenheim website and to the original track lenght
(6789 m). Due to this I noticed that for me the best way in creating a ccline is
to start a completely new one. I beginned this work yesterday and I'm proceading
very well...
Thank for your clue and merry Xmas,
Gabriele
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